Does anyone remember Allen Collins?
June 09, 2012 2:43:58 AM UTC Post #1

I do. Rickey is a nice fit as is Johnny, but am I the only one who sometimes feels like dedicating LS 1991 and depicting his image onstage with our other fallen heros somehow diminishes his importance to the music? Could there have ever been a Skynyrd w/o Allen? In my opinion 1/3 of all tour profits should go to foundations for post-traumatic stress, in Allen's name. Fly on beautiful soul. The pain is over. Can't believe it's been over 20 years.

June 09, 2012 2:13:37 PM UTC Post #1

I'm sure his family is being taken care of.

His name appears on many, many songs so the royalties alone are still coming in.

He was a committed rocker and was with them from the beginning he went through it all, he was there with the Rossington Collins Band, and was the "last man standing" with The Allen Collins Band. If he had not suffered that car accident in the mid 80s which put him in the wheel chair, and eventually lead to his death, he would be there rocking with the boys.

I loved Allen too my brother, or sister, we All do. The band remembering him and giving him props is fine with me, and doing it in any way they choose. They knew him best and know what he would like.

June 09, 2012 5:09:16 PM UTC Post #2

Uhhhh, cant even believe you asked that question, How can anyone forget Allen Collins??

June 09, 2012 5:51:29 PM UTC Post #3

=EasyNote said:They knew him best and know what he would like.

Well, I hate to break it to you, but if that's true, then they are certainly NOT doing what he would have liked. Allen specifically did not want any band to go forward using the name "Lynyrd Skynyrd". This is not an opinion, but a point of historical fact. That is the reason that all the earlier versions of the tribute bands were "officially" (and legally) named things like "Lynyrd Skynyrd 1991", etc. It was only after Allen's death that a deal was struck between all of the surviving members and beneficiaries (including Judy VZ, Teresa Gaines & Larkin Collins Sr.) to allow Gary to call his band "Lynyrd Skynyrd".

I'm not saying Gary doesn't have a certain right to call his band "Lynyrd Skynyrd", and for a number of reasons I think that his doing do is a good thing (in some ways) to help keep the music alive & introduce it to new fans. But to say that Allen would have approved of it, from what I have read and been told by those who knew him, is not accurate.

Not trying to start trouble here. Just giving another perspective.

I drink enough whiskey to float a battleship around

June 09, 2012 8:26:21 PM UTC Post #4

Allen Collins joined LYNYRD SKYNYRD on stage and from his wheel chair gave support all night back in 1987.

he would have been with them if able.

June 10, 2012 2:19:59 AM UTC Post #5

@EasyNote: I think you are right. We are fans and it was much deeper for them so we should look beyond the law suits and bickering that are now over a quarter of a century old and give Gary and the current members the benefit of the doubt that they acknowledge his contribution as he would have wanted. Perhaps it's as simple as the Firebird Rickey plays. It's just that they wrote a song about Leon and another about Billy and as great as Ed and Steve were/are, the band was Ronnie, Allen, its core. Ronnie would have been a great song writer if he was born 20 years earlier. It was Allen, with Gary, that put the rock in southern rock (no offense ABB, but even Gregg and Dickey have called ABB either a jam or blues band). Even with Ed and Steve, the band was primarily a partnership of those three, creatively. It seems a shame to me that Allen seems to be remembered as one of the band members that have passed and not acknowledged as 1/3 of the creative genius that fused rock and country as it never had been and probably never will be. Maybe now that any RCB related bitterness is a distant memory they can, not just through royalties that are a legal obligation, recognize the unique contribution that was Allen, as a player, writer, and performer. I can't think of a better way than reaching out to people who have experienced tragedy to the degree he had. I like the idea of a foundation. But I am "justafan". You are right, it's their life.

June 10, 2012 2:44:37 AM UTC Post #6

@Mylvyn Skyrydyr: Where are you getting this historic info.? I don't disagree with you at all.Duffy

June 10, 2012 3:02:36 AM UTC Post #7

@justafan233: Your right about Ronnie Gary and Allen being the core of the best band ever.I got to see them play alot in the 70s and the energy Allen had on stage was amazing.Ronnie was an awesome frontman.The whole band was amazing.They were all in their 20s and seemed fearless.I have got to see them a lot since 87 and I think their great but the 70s were amazing.God Bless the whole band from the past to the new.Duffy

June 10, 2012 3:15:31 AM UTC Post #8

=duffy c. wishbone said:@Mylvyn Skyrydyr: Where are you getting this historic info.? I don't disagree with you at all.Duffy

Mylvyn Skyrydyr and I almost never agree on anything, but what he said is right on truthful this time. You can read all about it in Judy's 1988 lawsuit, you can read about it in the SPIN magazine article and I am sure there are others out there I just can't recall off the top of my head, like VH-1 documentaries, but he is correct about Allen not wanting to use the name of LS on its own again without Ronnie in the band. And it was Allen who put the clause on Gary's band (LS 1990, LS 1991, LS 1992, etc) in Allen's last attempt at forcing Gary to comply with the 1978 blood oath agreement he took with Judy, Allen, and Teresa Gaines. This blood oath was the basis of her federal lawsuit in 1988 which is available online from time to time even ebay has had it. So what he said is common knowledge throughout most Skynyrd discussion forums including Ed King's:

June 10, 2012 4:57:53 AM UTC Post #9

@ArtimusFan: Right On....Thanks for the info.Arti is cool.Duffy

June 12, 2012 12:26:54 AM UTC Post #10

@duffy c. wishbone: I wish I had been able to catch the original band, just missed em. I was in my early teens in 77 and didn't really hit the concert seen until I was in my late teens, right after ACB ended. But thanks to YouTube I have a better appreciation for "the man at center stage" as Charlie Daniels described him, and Allen as a picker and performer. Fearless seems to be the perfect description. Yep, God Bless em all, past and present.

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