that ain't my America
October 07, 2009 6:33:50 PM UTC Post #31

Hi everybody!

Road fatigue! I’m glad you mentioned Powderfinger! It’s a great song! And the friendship and mutual admiration between Ronnie Van Zant and Neil Young is a beautiful part of rock history.

You know, I’ve been called some names during this ”debate” but that’s alright cause I’ve might have thrown one or two low punches myself.
Since I feel that the tone of our discussion has changed for the better I’m gonna be a little personal with you guys now. Many years ago my older brother made me listen to Free Bird. The unique combination of raw power and sophisticated arrangement changed my life forever. The singing was gutsy yet carefully phrased and the guitar solo that followed so intense that it made me feel high and dizzy and happy.

I can assure you that it wasn’t Ronnie Van Zants political agenda (if he had one) that got me hooked. But as the years went on and I continued listening to Skynyrd I got increasingly impressed by his songwriting. In my opinion there is a message of tolerance in his songs. He wants to include people rather than exclude them.

Now, when I listen to God&Guns and “That Ain’t My America” my feeling is that those songs represent a rather primitive “us and them”- perspective that you never find in any of the songs that Ronnie Van Zant wrote.

In my opinion those songs are opening up for the kind of writing about Obama, gays and illegal immigrants that you can find on this board.
We can speculate all day long about what Ronnie Van Zant would have felt about these things, but ultimately what matters is what we think ourselves.

Let me just address one of the mentioned issues by asking everybody who has taken part in this debate to answer this question:
Imagine you have a son about eighteen years old that you love more than anything. One day that son approaches you with a serious look on his face. He reveals that he’s gay and has met a guy that he really cares for. What would you tell him?

October 07, 2009 11:50:58 PM UTC Post #32

I love the song! All the songs on the new album! im listening to Floyd right now

October 08, 2009 10:02:32 AM UTC Post #33

@Tom Soares: Thank you Tom! I think that any effort you make will be appreciated by those of us who have been in the FC for many years.

Ain't nothing sweeter than a Southern girl!

October 12, 2009 5:22:44 PM UTC Post #34

I guess we've reached the end of the road on this one! Thank you Little Bear Jug, Todd Snider and the rest of you!

And thank you Road Fatigue for answering my question. And for those of you who find it awkard to discuss the gay issue on this board, keep in mind that several people brought it up before I did.

I've got two little boys and if I ever find my self in the position I described in my last post I won't let any politician or church authority make a 2nd rate citizen out of my child. And I definetely wouldn't want the fans of my favourite band to look down on my son because of his sexual orientation.

And if you think you are so heterosexual and conservative that you can't get a gay child ... well ask Dick Cheney about that ...

Finally RF, regarding what Obama said about the constitution I think that every law and rule that we live by is constantly tested by time . I for one feel much safer in a society where there isn't a lot of guns around (I'm not talking about hunting or sports now). As you can see I pretty much agree with Ronnie on this:

So why dont we dump em people
To the bottom of the sea
Before some fool come around here
Wanna shoot either you or me

October 12, 2009 7:16:38 PM UTC Post #35

@Tom Soares:
Sorry I missed your post...

I've been avoiding this one because of how off track it was getting...

I didn't realize that this was wide open to anyone...

Thanks and keep up the great work.....


I'm not dead, at least not yet, Still Alone, Still Alive, STILL UNBROKEN....

October 12, 2009 11:50:28 PM UTC Post #36


I'm with you RF. If someone breaks in to my home once while I am here, they will not get the opportunity to do it again. The second amendment allows me to make that statement. What if there were no Bill of Rights? I defer to the quotes below:

"I don't need a document and I don't need another man to explain to me that I have the right to defend my gift of life. And that there is an argument in America from Hillary Clinton, from Barbara Boxer, Dianne Feinstein, from a whole gaggle of numb nuts who will try to tell me that they will dictate where, how and if I can defend myself.......I find it preposterous, I find it unacceptable and I will not accept it." - Ted Nugent

"There was a time we ain't forgot you could rest all night with your doors unlocked. But there ain't nobody safe no more so you say your prayers and you thank The Lord for that peace maker in the dresser drawer" - Johnny Van Zant

October 13, 2009 1:17:00 AM UTC Post #37

@roadfatigue: You couldn't get it more right. The second amendment is the shield that protects the other Rights. Any government that takes away guns obviously has an agenda of evil. Look at any communist nation and notice that citizens may NOT EVER have access to guns. When guns go then all your other rights will be sure to follow...down the toilet. The reason our founding fathers put the second amendment in the constitution (and as the SECOND amendment i might add...It's that important) is so that any tyrannical government would think twice because they would have a crap-load of angry citizens with guns standing in their way. Guns are here to protect us and our families and property from criminals and more importantly dictatorship. I don't care what you say, who you are or what your political views are, government should NEVER be trusted with so much power that they can take our guns away from us. Look at Russia or North Korea! Look how they turned out. America is the last country on earth that stands for its people's freedom and that is because it is a government for the the people and by the people. That phrase is becoming less true everyday. Our government would, in my opinion, be a government that George Washington would despise. It is a shame that so many lives were sacrificed only to see America slowly become a socialist (communist) government that despises our men and women in uniform, is completely intolerant to anything Christian but tolerant to radical jihadists, and apologizes for being a bastion of freedom for 200 years! Mr. Obama wants to change all of that. Let's take a system that worked for 200 years for the beterment of the people and lets change it to a system that is known to fail and to slowly become a bastion of evil????? Ya that makes total sense. I was willing to give the president the benefit of the doubt before. I have given that up. He is an intelligent man who knows exactly what is going on and supports it. Sure he didn't realize that he was giving that much money to ACORN, hes only the PRESIDENT!!! He didn't know... And the water in the central valley here in CA is turned off! He knows that there is 40% unemployment (and thats just the start of the numbers). He knows that those 40% of 3rd and 4th generation farmers (some of them my family) are standing in food lines to avoid starving! ALL HE HAS TO DO IS SAY "TURN THE WATER ON"! and they say its to protect a minnow!?!?!? BULL CRAP!!! that minnow has been there for the full 60 years the pumps have been on and they just now decide to "take action"? We will have to start importing food soon if this goes on. Obama KNOWS this and yet decides to not take action! America needs to CHANGE!!!! Change back to what it was before FDR. Let's have a government that is there ONLY to enforce and uphold constitutional laws. THIS IS NOT MY AMERICA!!!!

Phew... I'm back to breathing and don't worry the veins in my neck didn't explode! Thanks for listening! well reading Haha

Anybody who agrees with me please shout out!!!!



October 13, 2009 3:33:24 AM UTC Post #38

Great post RF.

That sure as shyt ain't my America either.

October 13, 2009 2:57:50 PM UTC Post #39

You have got to be kidding!!!! Is this just a bad dream or a joke? I don't even know what else to type's just SAD.
Thanks for sharing. Sara

Ain't nothing sweeter than a Southern girl!

October 13, 2009 3:29:23 PM UTC Post #40

Anybody want to talk about Skynyrd??

Seems this board is drifting in a direction that it wasn't intended for...

Let's lose the few nut jobs and move on to more important things...

The state of SKYNYRD NATION!!!!

Yeah I'm all for a discussion, but for those few who are just stirin' the pot....


I'm not dead, at least not yet, Still Alone, Still Alive, STILL UNBROKEN....

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